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#41 lbshagger

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Posted 18 October 2016 - 02:19 AM

Dear Ibshagger, thank you about that, in that case I agree that you may have two tier system.
But is that considered private business or NGO?

In my opinion he does not run it as a business. I believe he genuinely wants to help people. His web sites request donations but I cannot imagine he gets much from that. He does not have the backing of an institute like The Red Cross.
Peronally I think more set ups like this are required. Anything that brings PrEP, PEP and ARV's to people who cannot afford full hospital prices can only be a good thing. I was diagnosed June this year with a condition who's spread should have been halted in the late 90's when ARV's in their current highly efficient state came about.
My only concern about PrEP is people taking it correctly. PEP I am sure people will follow the Dr's instruction to the letter as they think the have already been in contact with the virus.

All outlets are welcome in my opinion.

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Posted 18 October 2016 - 04:31 AM

You make it sound like you are the doctor philipp.
You are trying to protect a lot, reasons?

Listen, I have few friends who went there (not for PEP, but for monthly HIV treatment) and who paid 7000THB for monthly medications which cost only around 2000THB at Red Cross.
Yesterday you said "Thai red cross is cheaper ",   I TOTALLY AGREE !!!!

I am nothing against him, I have friends in Pattaya who need the medications like you do and I told my friends to go there to refill medications.


I want you to

1. Ask your doctor if he has license to practice as a medical doctor in the country. Hope to hear from you when you get the answer about that. 
2. Do you think he really respects the law and patients if he doesn't really have Thai Medical License?

3. And ask him why the medication price is as high as 4 times more expensive than in Red Cross when you told us he asked the pharmaceutical company to reduce price for people. Which medication?

 

What I want for all of us to help the world end HIV

- HIV positive people take medications to suppress HIV until they're undetectable and get tested twice a year
- High HIV risk people should consider taking PrEP (of course with condom) and get test regularly
- Low risk people do not have to take PrEP
that s how we can end HIV, mister. And for you being undetectable is a real GREAT thing.

 

Well I am paying the same for Teevir as on the price on the sathornclinic website but without the 800 baht consultation fee, the price from Thai red cross would be about 1100 for the same med with a 500 baht consultation fee. (but maybe an hour or so of queuing up.)

 

Anyway I am off to Singapore for a couple of days, will address the rest your post on my return, in between times maybe you could say who you are and more about your motivation for joining ladyboyspattaya.com

 

I have already told you who I am, I am a HIV+ patient of Dr Philippe.

 

I am not doctor Philippe 5555

 

I am far younger and slimmer!

 

so you have had a failed guess who I am, my turn

 

are you Robert Irven

 

'International Coordinator' at the sathorn clinic

 

https://about.me/bobbyirven

 

and also a student at Chula?

 

don't lie to me now !


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Posted 18 October 2016 - 05:17 AM

Did you know that after period of PrEP and HIV treatment at diagnosis, 
this strategy has already helped San Francisco reduced new HIV infection while every other countries are having the rise of HIV infection.

https://www.poz.com/...-hiv-27489-4915

That is surely useful to know.

      So are you talking about ladyboys specifically in PATTAYA     or   looking at this from the perspective of the USA????

 

   Seems in both places the main problem for new infections is IGNORANCE..  Or a dont care /live for now attitude...

 

     So it IS up to PLU   to take care and take the initiative and ALWAYS   have a big pocket full of condoms and lube when we start on our fun.

 

  The statictics on + people  in P$P      in Pattaya are scary .   Espicially as so much of it is an ESTIMATE   as many dont want to know and dont want to get tested...

 

  But 177  DEATHS  in San Francisco?       Thats more scary.      I thought treatment works and you can live forever.......



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Posted 18 October 2016 - 12:53 PM

In my opinion he does not run it as a business. I believe he genuinely wants to help people. His web sites request donations but I cannot imagine he gets much from that. He does not have the backing of an institute like The Red Cross.
Peronally I think more set ups like this are required. Anything that brings PrEP, PEP and ARV's to people who cannot afford full hospital prices can only be a good thing. I was diagnosed June this year with a condition who's spread should have been halted in the late 90's when ARV's in their current highly efficient state came about.
My only concern about PrEP is people taking it correctly. PEP I am sure people will follow the Dr's instruction to the letter as they think the have already been in contact with the virus.

All outlets are welcome in my opinion.

Dear lbshagger, I understand what you mean. I believe he has a good will to help others, somehow practicing as medical doctor needs medical licensed which must be issued by the Medical Council of that country that you would like to work. It's responsibility. Not to mention paying tax when you have income. And if you get donation, do you get to pay tax?

More set ups like this are helpful for people, I agree and I would like to support any doctors to do so to help our society. 
Would you agree that doctors should have license? Otherwise anyone can act as a doctor/lawyer/nurse/etc, what do you think?

But the medical license topic is not our responsibility, it's medical provider and patients benefit and harm. And once you live in the country, following the country's law/rules and regulations is a must, otherwise it can be considered anti-social or sociopath or something you may call.



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Posted 18 October 2016 - 12:59 PM

Well I am paying the same for Teevir as on the price on the sathornclinic website but without the 800 baht consultation fee, the price from Thai red cross would be about 1100 for the same med with a 500 baht consultation fee. (but maybe an hour or so of queuing up.)

 

Anyway I am off to Singapore for a couple of days, will address the rest your post on my return, in between times maybe you could say who you are and more about your motivation for joining ladyboyspattaya.com

 

I have already told you who I am, I am a HIV+ patient of Dr Philippe.

 

I am not doctor Philippe 5555

 

I am far younger and slimmer!

 

so you have had a failed guess who I am, my turn

 

I guess trying to identify who is who on the forum is your fetish.
And considering that winning/losing/failure or success is what you're try to succeed but I have nothing to do with that, it's your problem.

When I point out
"I am a little confused here. Not sure if things are clear.

And then when I read more in this topic, I sensed something unclear...

Then when I doubt if my friend's rumour is true or not ... you reply
1.Posted 16 October 2016 - 06:41 PM "Dr Philippe is licenced"
2.Posted Yesterday, 06:17 PM I am not going to waste my doctors time by making a special visit to waste his valuable time by asking for his quatlifactions

So how did you know he is really licensed at first? and then twist your word saying you're not gonna ask.

 

You have escaped from the topic and not trying to answer the question, that's what I call true failure.
And you do not get what I am trying to say.....
It's responsibility of a doctor to have medical license in the country he works in and it's patients benefits, time you spent, money you spent, and what you received.


Anyway I do not feel the need to reply your comment any further because you are of no capability to answer the question properly, all you try to do is "escape".
And manipulate others .... That's not what I am here for.


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Posted 18 October 2016 - 01:33 PM

I guess trying to identify who is who on the forum is your fetish.
And considering that winning/losing/failure or success is what you're try to succeed but I have nothing to do with that, it's your problem.

When I point out
"I am a little confused here. Not sure if things are clear.
And then when I read more in this topic, I sensed something unclear...
Then when I doubt if my friend's rumour is true or not ... you reply
1.Posted 16 October 2016 - 06:41 PM "Dr Philippe is licenced"
2.Posted Yesterday, 06:17 PM I am not going to waste my doctors time by making a special visit to waste his valuable time by asking for his quatlifactions

So how did you know he is really licensed at first? and then twist your word saying you're not gonna ask.

 
You have escaped from the topic and not trying to answer the question, that's what I call true failure.
And you do not get what I am trying to say.....
It's responsibility of a doctor to have medical license in the country he works in and it's patients benefits, time you spent, money you spent, and what you received.

Anyway I do not feel the need to reply your comment any further because you are of no capability to answer the question properly, all you try to do is "escape".
And manipulate others .... That's not what I am here for.


To answer your question.... below is an article about four farang doctors in Pattaya and it appears that Dr Philippe Seur is one of them where it states that he is recognized by The Thai Ministry of Public Health.

http://www.pattayama...in-pattaya-2424

cheers
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Posted 18 October 2016 - 03:02 PM

I guess trying to identify who is who on the forum is your fetish.
And considering that winning/losing/failure or success is what you're try to succeed but I have nothing to do with that, it's your problem.

When I point out
"I am a little confused here. Not sure if things are clear.
And then when I read more in this topic, I sensed something unclear...

Then when I doubt if my friend's rumour is true or not ... you reply
1.Posted 16 October 2016 - 06:41 PM "Dr Philippe is licenced"
2.Posted Yesterday, 06:17 PM I am not going to waste my doctors time by making a special visit to waste his valuable time by asking for his quatlifactions

So how did you know he is really licensed at first? and then twist your word saying you're not gonna ask.


You have escaped from the topic and not trying to answer the question, that's what I call true failure.
And you do not get what I am trying to say.....
It's responsibility of a doctor to have medical license in the country he works in and it's patients benefits, time you spent, money you spent, and what you received.


Anyway I do not feel the need to reply your comment any further because you are of no capability to answer the question properly, all you try to do is "escape".
And manipulate others .... That's not what I am here for.


How about you just stick to promote the clinic you work for instead of throwing out false accusations about one of the more respected doctors in Thailand?

Do you honestly think Phillipe could have kept his clinic going for over a decade with thousands of patients if he was not licensed? He cooperates with several thai hospitals and just about all reknown hiv specialists in the country.
Good on you for taking up a job at that clinic while you are studying and trying to spread the word about PEP and PrEP. But please don't start to try to drag down one of the true pioneers of hiv tratment in thailand. It honestly makes you and the clinic you work for look very bad.
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Posted 19 October 2016 - 09:51 AM

To answer your question.... below is an article about four farang doctors in Pattaya and it appears that Dr Philippe Seur is one of them where it states that he is recognized by The Thai Ministry of Public Health.

http://www.pattayama...in-pattaya-2424

cheers

Dear ausmagoo,
Thank you for information I have read that, it may sounds very positive to some people who don't know anything.
Surely he has done great works but still that doesn't mean he is licensed.

Like I said before I am here about PEP according to the topic.
And I just mentioned what I have heard from HIV+ friend who lives in Pattaya and then the other user was trying to threaten me with defamation law, so this is how I response.
I respect that he has been here for long, and probably has been doing great jobs for people.
But every country has laws/ rules/ regulations and if we don't follow the law, why did we need the law at first?



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Posted 19 October 2016 - 10:22 AM

How about you just stick to promote the clinic you work for instead of throwing out false accusations about one of the more respected doctors in Thailand?

Do you honestly think Phillipe could have kept his clinic going for over a decade with thousands of patients if he was not licensed? He cooperates with several thai hospitals and just about all reknown hiv specialists in the country.
Good on you for taking up a job at that clinic while you are studying and trying to spread the word about PEP and PrEP. But please don't start to try to drag down one of the true pioneers of hiv tratment in thailand. It honestly makes you and the clinic you work for look very bad.

 

Dear Kongkuk, 

You believe it is false accusation?
I have the PROVE, do you want me to show it here?
Do you honestly think that keeping the clinic running for decades means that he has license?
I do support clinics and NGO helping society but I do support legal clinics and legal doctors too.
I am not trying to drag anyone down, I just found out that something is unclear. Plus after mister "opps1" has left, seems like there are more people dragged in this discussion which is no longer about PrEP/PEP.

Kongkuk, I have nothing against you, you can believe what you honestly want to believe, but I really have the prove, I will not show it here because my intention was only here for PEP and the price which is actually not that high and not only at that clinic I mentioned, there are other private clinics with similar pricing, Bangkok Health Hub which is also on Silom Road, 

After discussion, I wanted all of you to be aware of PATIENT'S RIGHTS. It's your own health/money/life you can decide what you want to do with it. If you're happy paying more, it's none of my business. I just believe in doing things right and I make it clear. 

When someone is unsure about something, instead of trying to investigate or find out the truth, most of us want to threaten other people, manipulate other people, scare other people away, claiming on some website saying "recognized by The Thai Ministry of Public Health" but who said that? is there any official letter?
http://www.pattayama...in-pattaya-2424 ??? You don't even know who is the writer of that news since 2011.... and you chose to trust the ancient online news more than Medical Council? I think that should not be the right strategy to deal with issue.  

If you want to run a clinic, get a lot of income, pay small tax, just get a proper license.

And basically if the doctor is illegal, his clinic shall be illegal too. Except he registered it under someone else's name. Or never registered at all.
The discussion has gone too far, and if this topic will be deleted I will show you official. 



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Posted 19 October 2016 - 10:25 AM

You guys have entertained my brain a lot, 
and makes me want to show the PROVE that I have.
I am sorry for believing in doing things right.
Not fooling or threatening other people.
 

After all, life is yours. 
You do what you want it your own life in your own way.

Still, I disagree with any illegal doctors and their illegal clinics....
Do you really think you can trust their knowledges?



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Posted 19 October 2016 - 10:26 AM

Dear Kongkuk,
You believe it is false accusation?
I have the PROVE, do you want me to show it here?
Do you honestly think that keeping the clinic running for decades means that he has license?
I do support clinics and NGO helping society but I do support legal clinics and legal doctors too.
I am not trying to drag anyone down, I just found out that something is unclear. Plus after mister "opps1" has left, seems like there are more people dragged in this discussion which is no longer about PrEP/PEP.

Kongkuk, I have nothing against you, you can believe what you honestly want to believe, but I really have the prove, I will not show it here because my intention was only here for PEP and the price which is actually not that high and not only at that clinic I mentioned, there are other private clinics with similar pricing, Bangkok Health Hub which is also on Silom Road,

After discussion, I wanted all of you to be aware of PATIENT'S RIGHTS. It's your own health/money/life you can decide what you want to do with it. If you're happy paying more, it's none of my business. I just believe in doing things right and I make it clear.

When someone is unsure about something, instead of trying to investigate or find out the truth, most of us want to threaten other people, manipulate other people, scare other people away, claiming on some website saying "recognized by The Thai Ministry of Public Health" but who said that? is there any official letter?
http://www.pattayama...in-pattaya-2424 ??? You don't even know who is the writer of that news since 2011.... and you chose to trust the ancient online news more than Medical Council? I think that should not be the right strategy to deal with issue.
If you want to run a clinic, get a lot of income, pay small tax, just get a proper license.
And basically if the doctor is illegal, his clinic shall be illegal too. Except he registered it under someone else's name. Or never registered at all.
The discussion has gone too far, and if this topic will be deleted I will show you official.

Please post your proof or if you don't want to post in public then please send it to me in a PM. I would be very interested to know.

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 10:32 AM

Please post your proof or if you don't want to post in public then please send it to me in a PM. I would be very interested to know.

Can you read Thai language?
It is in Thai language.



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Posted 19 October 2016 - 10:42 AM

Dear ausmagoo,
Thank you for information I have read that, it may sounds very positive to some people who don't know anything.
Surely he has done great works but still that doesn't mean he is licensed.

Like I said before I am here about PEP according to the topic.
And I just mentioned what I have heard from HIV+ friend who lives in Pattaya and then the other user was trying to threaten me with defamation law, so this is how I response.
I respect that he has been here for long, and probably has been doing great jobs for people.
But every country has laws/ rules/ regulations and if we don't follow the law, why did we need the law at first?


You may be here for discussion on PEP..... but it was you that brought up the possibility that Dr Philippe Seur was unlicensed.

All I did was show an article where it was confirmed that he had been recognized by The Thai Ministry of Public Health.

You are right that every country has rules and regulations on who can do what.... and in Thailand the Government Department who does this is......... The Thai Ministry of Public Health.

I would say that he has been checked out fully and they have made the decision that he can carry out what he is doing as he meets the rules and regulations that they are in place for to administer.

cheers
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Posted 19 October 2016 - 11:24 AM

Can you read Thai language?
It is in Thai language.

Please send it to me whatever language it is in.
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Posted 19 October 2016 - 12:40 PM

You may be here for discussion on PEP..... but it was you that brought up the possibility that Dr Philippe Seur was unlicensed.

All I did was show an article where it was confirmed that he had been recognized by The Thai Ministry of Public Health.

You are right that every country has rules and regulations on who can do what.... and in Thailand the Government Department who does this is......... The Thai Ministry of Public Health.

I would say that he has been checked out fully and they have made the decision that he can carry out what he is doing as he meets the rules and regulations that they are in place for to administer.

cheers

So you want to tell us that
He probably doesn't have national medical license for his practise and/or for his clinic but Thai MOPH has checked and had "permission" or "officially allowed" him to do so?
You could say anything but without evidences, one shall not believe otherwise we are going to create a society of false knowledge.

 

Deputy Secretary-General of Thai Medical Council just mentioned that it is "not possible".

Anyway,
I think this website/web board was created for his business support and you guys are probably friends here.

Since my post might effect your business I will just let it be.

But before I leave I'm checking with MOPH and TMC again if there's any official permission to do so and since when.
And since ausmagoo has mentioned about MOPH with permission without evidences, I will record it to let MOPH know that this is what people think can happen.



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Posted 19 October 2016 - 12:42 PM

If I would say something to help support him,

I would say

"He is a volunteer doctor"
So he probably doesn't need medical license.

You guys probably just don't know, and if you don't really know, you shouldn't talk about it.

Medical Council reported that he doesn't have medical license.
But is that legal or not, and has MOPH fully checked or not..... we will talk about it when we have more evidences.
And if he is really allowed by MOPH, I will help support him for what he's been doing.

 

Cheers.
 


Edited by weknow, 19 October 2016 - 12:51 PM.


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 01:01 PM

You've come on here with a constant axe to grind and an agenda against this clinic.

Please desist.  


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 01:13 PM

So you want to tell us that
He probably doesn't have national medical license for his practise and/or for his clinic but Thai MOPH has checked and had "permission" or "officially allowed" him to do so?
You could say anything but without evidences, one shall not believe otherwise we are going to create a society of false knowledge.
 
Deputy Secretary-General of Thai Medical Council just mentioned that it is "not possible".

Anyway,
I think this website/web board was created for his business support and you guys are probably friends here.
Since my post might effect your business I will just let it be.

But before I leave I'm checking with MOPH and TMC again if there's any official permission to do so and since when.
And since ausmagoo has mentioned about MOPH with permission without evidences, I will record it to let MOPH know that this is what people think can happen.


Mate... the only one on this thread making accusations without evidence is you.

I have never met the man.... all I did was give you some information.

You say you have evidence but only in Thai.... plenty of people on here can read Thai.... so put up your evidence.

You also say the Medical Council reported he has no license.... well prove it.

You asked questions and the ones who replied are giving first hand information from dealing with the man.

You on the other hand.... have only put up second or third hand information and I would say that you do not even reside in Pattaya... is that true or not?????

If you or your friends do not like the man or his practice..... fair enough..... your opinion....... take your business/treatment to where you want to .... as you said... it is personal choice where you want to go.

Not rocket science mate.

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 01:57 PM

Nope mate, 
Let's look at who speak up without evidence

opps1 : Posted 16 October 2016 - 06:41 PM "Dr Philippe is licenced" and then ran away
ausmagoo :
Posted Today, 10:42 AM I would say that he has been checked out fully and they have made the decision that he can carry out what he is doing as he meets the rules and regulations that they are in place for to administer.



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Posted 19 October 2016 - 01:59 PM

I ll let the MOPH and TMC deal with this.
Not my problem obviously.

 


Edited by weknow, 19 October 2016 - 02:10 PM.



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