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[Matrix]

There is allways a lot of questions about this issue.
So,what is the risks to get infected while sucking off a LB?????

[LadyboyAdmirer]

Regarding to the latest Swiss AIDS Help (www.aids.ch) there is a risk in getting HIV when swollowing cum.

Quote from website:

What are the safe sex rules for oral sex?
- Don’t get sperm in your mouth, don't swallow sperm.
- Don’t get menstrual blood in your mouth, don't swallow menstrual blood.

As a man, am I at risk when receiving oral sex?

You don’t run any risks of contagion when being satisfied orally as a man. But if you are HIV-positive, your partner runs a considerable risk if you come in his or her mouth. It is important not to get any sperm into your partner’s mouth. According to the current state of knowledge, the so-called pre-cum before climax has proved not to be a risk of infection during oral sex.
It may be a good idea to agree on a clear warning sign with your partner before having oral sex.


Am I at risk when giving a men oral sex?

It is important not to get any sperm into your mouth, and if you do, don’t swallow. According to the current state of knowledge, the so-called pre-cum before climax does not constitute any risk.
It may be a good idea to ask your partner to withdraw before climaxing or to give you a clear sign. If he should ejaculate into your mouth, be sure to spit out the sperm immediately and to rinse your mouth several times with lukewarm water. Do not swallow the sperm! Even if you are HIV-positive, there is no risk of infection for your partner.

End Quote.

For further Info on risks etc refer to: http://www.aids.ch/e/fragen/risiko.php (info available in english, german, french and italian)

Regards.

Edited by LadyboyAdmirer, 04 June 2009 - 12:55 PM.

[themagician]

'...Well I am no Scientist, although I have an analytical brain, but I would think that if you got cum in your mouth and according to Swiss AIDS Help (www.aids.ch), the safe remedy is to spit it out and to rinse your mouth several times with lukewarm water, this antidote is extremely medieval and about as effective as using leeches to cure Syphilis.

There are hundreds, thousands, possibly millions of microscopic abrasions in the mouth, while even healthy gums bleed easily. [If blood can come out, viruses can get in].

Rubbing Cocaine into the gums has the desired effect...Why? Because it is absorbed, just as sperm will be.

I could be wrong, but sometimes common-sense just tells you you're right.

themagician

[LadyboyAdmirer]

I guess they mean here that spitting it out is still better than swallowing when you have it already in your mouth.
Of course best would be not to get it in there ;-)

[Master Bator]

A friend of mine who is a Clinical Immunoligist says that it is all a number game.

In fact the HIV virus, although it is a potential killer, is a realatively weak virus and does not get transmitted that easy.

The easiest is through a blood to blood tansmission. The number of HIV cells in a HIV infected person is the highest in blood and dpends on the stage of infection. It can also be found in body fluids but in much lower numbers.

Add to that that saliva in the mouth is not a pleasant enviroment for the virus. Some claim it actually kills the virus and for sure it will be easier to kill the few (if any) cells in sperm than in HIV infected blood.

Actually he recommends swallowing because the stomach acid will take care of it.

Also the rinsing with hot water is recommended because the virus only thrives at body temperature.

Further the chances of infection are lower if you have a healthy immune system and much lower if you have a hypersensitive immunesystem ( f.i. allergies) as your system is constanly fighting "intruders".

Add to that the minimal number of reported cases of transmission through oral sex and you may conclude that the risk is almost zero.

The chance of getting other viral infections and STD's such as herpes or hepatitits B is much larger (also fungus infections (thrush) and bacterial diseases).

[theone22]

Master Bator, on Jun 4 2009, 10:20 PM, said:

A friend of mine who is a Clinical Immunoligist says that it is all a number game.

In fact the HIV virus, although it is a potential killer, is a realatively weak virus and does not get transmitted that easy.

The easiest is through a blood to blood tansmission. The number of HIV cells in a HIV infected person is the highest in blood and dpends on the stage of infection. It can also be found in body fluids but in much lower numbers.

Add to that that saliva in the mouth is not a pleasant enviroment for the virus. Some claim it actually kills the virus and for sure it will be easier to kill the few (if any) cells in sperm than in HIV infected blood.

Actually he recommends swallowing because the stomach acid will take care of it.

Also the rinsing with hot water is recommended because the virus only thrives at body temperature.

Further the chances of infection are lower if you have a healthy immune system and much lower if you have a hypersensitive immunesystem ( f.i. allergies) as your system is constanly fighting "intruders".

Add to that the minimal number of reported cases of transmission through oral sex and you may conclude that the risk is almost zero.

The chance of getting other viral infections and STD's such as herpes or hepatitits B is much larger (also fungus infections (thrush) and bacterial diseases).

Swallowing is usually recommended over spitting because once in the mouth the damage (although very minimal) is done and the quicker you get it out of your mouth the better. So, unless you are gonna start spitting right there and then (which would probably seem pretty rude), better off swallowing - and as MB says, stomach acid kills all.

Never heard of any scientific source saying the risk from pre-cum is zero or the risk of getting HIV from receiving oral is zero. No documented cases maybe, but this zero thing is totally new and seeing there is no reference from a scientific study or institute - e.g., CDC or the mayo clinic or Cambridge, it seems a bit out of place. Maybe the translation to English and in others it says virtually zero? And the CDC directly contradicts the notion that pre-cum risk is 0: http://www.cdc.gov/h...ces/qa/qa19.htm.

Edited by theone22, 05 June 2009 - 11:03 PM.

[theone22]

"and if you do, don't swallow" wrong again. No (other?) reputable institute is saying this. As an example, maybe the CDC or the UCSF (one of the best medical schools in the US):

http://www.cdc.gov/h...es/qa/hoax1.htm

http://hivinsite.ucs...ge=ask-01-02-21

[theone22]

Maybe this should be broadened to STD risks from giving oral sex; this topic always cums up, but as MB points out, there are other risks.

A good site I found is:

http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm

Although not a University or the CDC, they have references to reputable sources.

There's also the CDC faq: http://www.cdc.gov/h...ets/oralsex.htm

[phantav]

kind of has me rethinking BBJCIM, but i find it kind of hard to believe that precum doesn't carry the virus, ill have to look into this more.

[Toni_boy]

My dear fellas, really i still dont understand why some men plays with fire today in 21st century. Dear lord gave us st. RUBBER and yet we ignore it. Easiest way to get STD(according to my doc.) are : 1. Bodyliqudis swap( blood,cum, etc) 2. Anal sex 3. Vaginal sex 4. Oral

[userman]

It's like everything else in this world, it's about calculating risk. When it comes to HIV it may be safe enough, but then you also have the STD. Best ting is always to protect yourself even if there is only a small chance.
Play safe when you are safe. Long relationship, test and so on..

[userman]

Here is a link to the oral sex part, and as you can se it is not to safe...

Oral Sex and HIV Risk | Factsheets | CDC HIV/AIDS

[DaddySir]

Master Bator, on 04 June 2009 - 07:20 PM, said:

A friend of mine who is a Clinical Immunoligist says that it is all a number game.

In fact the HIV virus, although it is a potential killer, is a realatively weak virus and does not get transmitted that easy.

The easiest is through a blood to blood tansmission. The number of HIV cells in a HIV infected person is the highest in blood and dpends on the stage of infection. It can also be found in body fluids but in much lower numbers.

Add to that that saliva in the mouth is not a pleasant enviroment for the virus. Some claim it actually kills the virus and for sure it will be easier to kill the few (if any) cells in sperm than in HIV infected blood.

Actually he recommends swallowing because the stomach acid will take care of it.

Also the rinsing with hot water is recommended because the virus only thrives at body temperature.

Further the chances of infection are lower if you have a healthy immune system and much lower if you have a hypersensitive immunesystem ( f.i. allergies) as your system is constanly fighting "intruders".

Add to that the minimal number of reported cases of transmission through oral sex and you may conclude that the risk is almost zero.

The chance of getting other viral infections and STD's such as herpes or hepatitits B is much larger (also fungus infections (thrush) and bacterial diseases).

Master Bator is the closest to being right here. Although the chances of HIV transmission are very very low through oral sex they are not zero, but you probably have a better chance of being hit by a bus, and you still cross the street, don't you? As far as giving, and for that matter receiving oral sex, your worries should lie with gonorrhea, chlamydia, hep B(which you should be vaccinated for if you have any sense), herpes, and syphilis. Sores or lesions in your mouth will of course increase your risk of transmission.

If you notice the CDC reports don't give any numbers, after all their job(and rightly so) is to scare you into safe sex not to educate you. I live in San Francisco, CA, USA which is one of the hiv/std hot spots in the country. We also have some great institutions providing testing and education, including as someone mentioned above UCSF. Recently after being tested the doctor actually showed me the statistics for hiv transmission, I'll try to see if I can find them and post them here. My major risk factor is that I sometimes top bareback, even then, if I'm with an hiv+ partner my risk is less than 1 in 1000, Still too high to risk but not what the scare mongers would have you believe.

For those of you who can't stand latex condoms, I abhor them myself, may I suggest the New Polyisoprene Condoms, superior to both latex and their predecessor polyurethane condoms in both fit and more importantly feel. Brand names include Durex Avanti and Lifestyles Skyn, check them out they're a world away from latex.

Edited by DaddySir, 27 November 2009 - 08:19 PM.

[dwbno1]

DaddySir, on 27 November 2009 - 08:18 PM, said:

Master Bator is the closest to being right here. Although the chances of HIV transmission are very very low through oral sex they are not zero, but you probably have a better chance of being hit by a bus, and you still cross the street, don't you? As far as giving, and for that matter receiving oral sex, your worries should lie with gonorrhea, chlamydia, hep B(which you should be vaccinated for if you have any sense), herpes, and syphilis. Sores or lesions in your mouth will of course increase your risk of transmission.

If you notice the CDC reports don't give any numbers, after all their job(and rightly so) is to scare you into safe sex not to educate you. I live in San Francisco, CA, USA which is one of the hiv/std hot spots in the country. We also have some great institutions providing testing and education, including as someone mentioned above UCSF. Recently after being tested the doctor actually showed me the statistics for hiv transmission, I'll try to see if I can find them and post them here. My major risk factor is that I sometimes top bareback, even then, if I'm with an hiv+ partner my risk is less than 1 in 1000, Still too high to risk but not what the scare mongers would have you believe.

For those of you who can't stand latex condoms, I abhor them myself, may I suggest the New Polyisoprene Condoms, superior to both latex and their predecessor polyurethane condoms in both fit and more importantly feel. Brand names include Durex Avanti and Lifestyles Skyn, check them out they're a world away from latex.

Hi all, I've found this thread so very interesting as I'm looking forward to my first ladyboy experience in March and I would like to try cim with my chosen partner. Having read several posts, medical websites and consulted a friend who works in my local gum clinic of course using protection at all times is the best policy but the chances of contracting Hiv through oral sex and swallowing sperm is exstremely remote but still a risk!! This all makes the mind boggle!!!

[Ladyboy107]

should i ask a ladyboy about hiv?how often do they exam?do they have some proof that everythink is ok?

[walkfish]

kaskoo, on 28 December 2009 - 01:55 AM, said:

i need to know this answer too
is it rude to take a ladyboy to a clinic to check her health?
i dont trust condoms

If you are going to spend some quality time with a LB (or GG), then going to get checked in a clinic should be a logical thing to do. Both of you should get checked (but you pay for it of course!). This would be in the best interest to both of you. If she is not willing to do this, I would say be very suspicious.

I hesitate to mention the following for a couple of reasons:
1)This might not be a fair comparison to oral sex with LB's.
2)I would never want to give anyone a false sense of security.

This is true (I will skip details of how I got involved in this relationship): I was with a HIV-positive GG for 2 years and performed oral sex on her on a very regular basis, but (other than a period of 1 week) always used a condom for intercourse. I am not HIV-positive. Maybe I am just lucky.

I have worked/lived in Asia for close to 20 years. I would say that Thai prostitutes are generally cleaner when it comes to STD's than other countries. I have caught STD's in the PI and Indonesia, but I have had sex in LOS more than all other countries combined. Thus far, no problems in LOS.

As far as protecting yourself: more pleasure means more risk, less risk means less pleasure. We all have a decision to make.

[Fie dollah]

so tell me after reading this, is it safe to give bbbj and swallow ya girls load ?


5$

[Kinkoy]

5dollor, on 25 January 2010 - 11:27 PM, said:

so tell me after reading this, is it safe to give bbbj and swallow ya girls load ?


5$

There's nothing 100% safe in this world, except the chance of getting your ladyboyfriend pregnant!

[Khaleks]

Very interesting topic, i read most of the comments and checked all the links that were offered. After due consideration, i would conclude that the risk is very minimal as far as hiv is concerned. The acids of the stomach will effectively take care of it, i will even say that they will kill it. Unfortunately it cannot be said the same of other calamaties such as gonorrhea.

[Ringspun]

I honestly don't think there is much chance of HIV infection from cum, however it can happen apparantly, so I wouldn't do it... I always use Listerine after anyhow, this kills most stuff outright.