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I know it's been mentioned in various threads but I thought it merited its own

 

I had my first ever Testosterone shot yesterday to help performance for my short-time holiday (3 more weeks)

 

I'd specifically like to know

  • is a one-off injection (1 ml) enough for first-timers?
  • is the effect enhanced by also taking Provironum/Proviron pills (anabolic steroid)?
  • is the effect noticeably more powerful than Viagra/Cialis etc?

I ask cos a fellow BM recommended Provironum - but the doc who gave me the jab at Buakhow Clinic said no...

 

Also, the BM suggested one shot would be enough for a few weeks but the doc said first-timers would be better off having jabs once weekly a few times

 

Just one request: Please do not comment here unless you have personal experience and/or can offer a useful link

 

I found some websites but they're all connected to the steroids industry and therefore are biased

 

I'm asking now cos it's already 24 hours since my jab and if I'm better off taking the pills too I'd better start ASAP

 

cheers

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Mate you really need to do lots of research before you go down this route.

It's not to be taken lightly.

Iv taken steroids/ testosterone but it's fir performance in the gym.

 

Solice and Slowguy are very well informed I'd advice you to send those guys a pm.

Yes i think I acted hastily Chic. Cheers

 

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Yes i think I acted hastily Chic. Cheers

 

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Don't worry one shot of test wil have no long term consequences

It's just bear in mind when you take testosterone in sufficient dosages your body's own production of testosterone is shut down. The body sees there is enough test in your system so no need to produce any more. There are ways to kick start your own production again via PCT etc but that applys to an 8 week or mire cycle.

In your case it's really testosterone replacement therapy very low doses. One shot a week could be fine and very beneficial in fact. I just don't know enough if I'm honest to coment. The is a very well known BM who does TRT and has openly spoken positively on he forum about it. I'm sure when he sees your post he will give his experiences on the subject.

It's an interesting subject and more and more modern doctors are recommending the benefits.

 

Hopefully solice and slow guy will post on the subject.

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First question

 

What type of testosterone were you given.

As an example

Test propinate

Test cypinate

Test enanthanate

Hey Scott. This is a good start. I have no idea! I showed them a jpg of the stuff gympy bought (Test Comp. Picture in my TR) and they said they only had the one they sold me. I presume it would've been the same kind but I really don't know

 

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Side effects

 

Severe dizziness

Fainting

Stomach pain

Vomiting

Bloody stools

Ringing in the ears

Loss of hearing

Irregular fast heartbeat

Kidney problems

Infection of the throat

Easy bruising and bleeding

Rash

Itching and swelling especially of the face tongue and throat.

Trouble breathing.

 

Sounds scary doesn't it. Well bear in mind that all those possible side effects are for headache tablets. My point being as soon as the words steroids are used people always scare monger, mainly due to nonsecle media regarding them. Steroids are fine in moderation, they are given out every day in hospitals and doctors surgeries all over the world. Everything in moderation. I won't discuss them here because it will be full of comments by people that have never taken them and have no idea about them apart from what they read in the media. If you would like to pm me or catch me at the bar or hideaway I will be happy to point you in the right direction.

Ps forget your doctor because basically they know very little about the use of steroids, his comment regarding proviron tells me he knows fuck all. I know that sounds like a crazy statement but I had to educate my doctor in the UK about them, they can't know everything about every drug.

All sounds totally plausible! Agree with your concern about posting here. Thanks for reply. Will pop in and have a drink soon. Just make sure fleeing isn't there. He casts me in a very poor light!

 

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All sounds totally plausible! Agree with your concern about posting here. Thanks for reply. Will pop in and have a drink soon. Just make sure fleeing isn't there. He casts me in a very poor light!

 

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555 no problem mate.

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https://www.drugs.com/testosterone.html

 

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why would you experiment with something you dont know ? follow the directions given by your doctor. she already gave you the answer.

 

This post is a joke right?

 

There's hardly a single item in that post that is accurate.

 

OP - you can totally ignore this.

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I know it's been mentioned in various threads but I thought it merited its own

 

I had my first ever Testosterone shot yesterday to help performance for my short-time holiday (3 more weeks)

 

I'd specifically like to know

  • is a one-off injection (1 ml) enough for first-timers?
  • is the effect enhanced by also taking Provironum/Proviron pills (anabolic steroid)?
  • is the effect noticeably more powerful than Viagra/Cialis etc?

I ask cos a fellow BM recommended Provironum - but the doc who gave me the jab at Buakhow Clinic said no...

 

Also, the BM suggested one shot would be enough for a few weeks but the doc said first-timers would be better off having jabs once weekly a few times

 

Just one request: Please do not comment here unless you have personal experience and/or can offer a useful link

 

I found some websites but they're all connected to the steroids industry and therefore are biased

 

I'm asking now cos it's already 24 hours since my jab and if I'm better off taking the pills too I'd better start ASAP

 

cheers

You're in good hands with Solice - he knows this stuff.

 

I'll summarize:

 

* Starting with blood work is highly recommended - so you know your baseline

* If you're not a TRT candidate - i.e. in permanent need of exogenous testosterone - then a 3 week cycle shouldn't upset things too much - although a PCT (post cycle therapy) would make the restart (of your own testosterone production) smoother.  Taking a couple shots of HCG while taking testosterone is another way to address this.

* Testosterone comes in "fast" and "slow" release formats (different esters) - for a tourist, go with a fast acting version - Testosterone Propionate for example.  Read more here:  https://thinksteroids.com/articles/testosterone-cypionate-enanthate-propionate-suspension/

 

1ml of Test Prop every other day should keep you loaded to the gills.

 

Proviron can help with libido, but 1ml of Test Prop per day should create a solid performance boost. 

 

Above all assuming you're an older guy and/or with low test levels.  If you're in your 20s or early 30s, with decent levels, probably not nearly as much effect.  Your blood work will tell you what to expect - if your natural levels are low, you'll notice a major difference.

 

Vs the blue pill - yeah, testosterone is much better - it drives both libido and creates wood.  Add Kamagra if you want to crowd the limit.

 

EDIT:

That's a FINE avatar you have there - off the web? - or does she come with a name and known location?

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Is one of the side-effects increased tetchiness?

Tetchiness?  I confess to having to look that one up - that's not used on this side of the Atlantic.

 

I know you're trying to be a smartarse, but seriously, the rubbish that Poirot posted is farcically far off the mark.  "Reefer Madness" level sensationalistic nonsense - if you're familiar with the infamous and ridiculous anti-MJ propaganda film from the 30s.

 

A few weeks of exogenous testosterone won't harm anyone - not even a female!!!

 

Even sustained use of fairly high levels of testosterone is fairly harmless, on a scale of controlled drugs - you have to be obscenely stupid in your usage to cause issues - and those would only kick in after many months or even years of sustained heavy overuse

 

Most laughably, the bold-faced portion about "testosterone will not enhance athletic performance" is flat earth magnitude ignorant.  WTF is it then banned in pretty much all organized sports events?

 

Also, it does NOT require intra-muscular injections - subq is just fine, especially for smaller doses.

 

Most definitely, unless you're on the ultra-rare and really pricey Nebido version, injecting every 2 to 4 weeks is sheer lunacy.  Twice per week is the typical regimen.   If any doctor recommends once per 2 to 4 weeks, just get up and walk out the door, he's an idiot, or lazy to the point of medical malpractice.

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Hi Slowguy,

 

Based on the vocabulary you are using, i am pretty confident you dont have a medical background, probably not even a higher education.

 

i am not knowledgeable in this area but i do know my way around reliable sources of information when it comes to medicines.

 

firstly, i would not encourage anyone to experiment with medication without an MD taking responsibility to overwatch.

 

secondly, i found more than one source reference i esteem scientifically of reliable value where the recommended dose is definitely not twice a week.

 

each take his responsibility to his own.

https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/28840#POSOLOGY

 

cheers

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Hi Slowguy,

 

i am not knowledgeable in this area but i do know my way around reliable sources of information when it comes to medicines.

 

firstly, i would not encourage anyone to experiment with medication without an MD taking responsibility to overwatch.

 

secondly, i found more than one source reference i esteem scientifically of reliable value where the recommended dose is definitely not twice a week.

 

each take his responsibility to his own.

https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/28840#POSOLOGY

 

cheers

Well, I've been on TRT for the past 4 years or so - and I'm an avid student in all fields that concern me - as a result, I have become more knowledgeable in this area than your typical MD.  That's not an exaggeration.  Additionally, I've cycled several times - so I'm familiar with many of those regimens, with side effects etc too.

 

About your UK link - that's ABSURD advice - administering 1ml of Sustanon 250 once every 3 weeks... pure madness.  Sust 250 has a half-life of less than 5 days.  This means that after 21 days, you're down to about 5% of the peak.  Ridiculous.  The peaks and troughs will be a horrible roller coaster.  That is lazy NHS advice to down-manage the frequency of patient visits.  Also, 250mg over 3 weeks is only 80mg per week - that's roughly 2/3 of optimal TRT dosage for most guys.  But it's the extreme peak and near zero level at the end that makes it bad.  You can plot drug availability here: http://steroidcalc.com/

 

Solice has far more experience than I have, but he's more practically inclined - I don't know if he enjoys reading medical studies too.

 

That said, Europe and the UK are rabidly phobic (there is no other suitable term) of male hormones.  The practices in the UK are notoriously backwards in this field.  Although it could be worse, you could live in the Nordics.

 

Anyone claiming anything other than twice weekly injections is engaging in medical malpractice - unless they're talking about the rare and exceedingly pricey Nebido version of testosterone which has an extremely long-acting ester.  But it's a total rarity.  And would certainly be totally useless for a Thailand tourist looking for a quick boost - which is what OP asked about.

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Hey Scott. This is a good start. I have no idea! I showed them a jpg of the stuff gympy bought (Test Comp. Picture in my TR) and they said they only had the one they sold me. I presume it would've been the same kind but I really don't know

 

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honestly man,

 

you have no idea what they shot you with

 

you took whatever they had on hand

 

in thailand!!!

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honestly man,

 

you have no idea what they shot you with

 

you took whatever they had on hand

 

in thailand!!!

haha I think that's a bit OTT. The pharmacist offered me a box labelled testosterone. It looked as legit as any other box you'd buy from a chemist. What makes this any riskier than whatever else you buy? True, I didn't make a note of exactly what type of testo this was, so I can't answer Scott's question - but I think the greater risk was of not fully knowing the consequences, not that I'd been given something dodgy.

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You're in good hands with Solice - he knows this stuff.

 

I'll summarize:

 

* Starting with blood work is highly recommended - so you know your baseline

* If you're not a TRT candidate - i.e. in permanent need of exogenous testosterone - then a 3 week cycle shouldn't upset things too much - although a PCT (post cycle therapy) would make the restart (of your own testosterone production) smoother.  Taking a couple shots of HCG while taking testosterone is another way to address this.

* Testosterone comes in "fast" and "slow" release formats (different esters) - for a tourist, go with a fast acting version - Testosterone Propionate for example.  Read more here:  https://thinksteroids.com/articles/testosterone-cypionate-enanthate-propionate-suspension/

 

1ml of Test Prop every other day should keep you loaded to the gills.

 

Proviron can help with libido, but 1ml of Test Prop per day should create a solid performance boost. 

 

Above all assuming you're an older guy and/or with low test levels.  If you're in your 20s or early 30s, with decent levels, probably not nearly as much effect.  Your blood work will tell you what to expect - if your natural levels are low, you'll notice a major difference.

 

Vs the blue pill - yeah, testosterone is much better - it drives both libido and creates wood.  Add Kamagra if you want to crowd the limit.

 

EDIT:

That's a FINE avatar you have there - off the web? - or does she come with a name and known location?

that's a great post mate and just goes to show that a thread educating people about this stuff is worthwhile

 

clearly, if I'd read the kind of info you and Scott are posting here I'd have done this a whole lot better

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that's a great post mate and just goes to show that a thread educating people about this stuff is worthwhile

 

clearly, if I'd read the kind of info you and Scott are posting here I'd have done this a whole lot better

Appreciate it - I'm a solid believer in the immense value of TRT for those of us with low test.

 

For P4P tourists, being on the high end of the test range WILL boost performance.

 

Caveat!  If you're truly a lard-ass, bumping test up can have negative consequences (you aromatize a lot - i.e. convert your test to estrogen).  If you're, say, 18% or lower bodyfat, shouldn't be noticeable.  But if you're a 30%+ bodyfat gut bucket, then I don't think you're ready.

 

Always best to start with full blood work - something all of us should do every so many years after the age of 35 anyway.

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My limited experience with testosterone and to reiterate much of what others have said:

- You absolutely should not fuck around with testosterone unless under physicians' care

- If improperly applied, testosterone can lead to a whole host of problems, up to and including heart attack and stroke (see Solice's list on page 1)

- Furthermore, you should stay under doctor's care for duration of usage

- I *think* you can get away with a time or two, but you have to be careful...you may be treating low testosterone and your testosterone level may be fine

- Some men produce more estrogen and actually need to reduce estrogen and there are ways to deal with that, as well

- Or there are ways to force body to produce more testosterone

- All of those should be considered under proper care by physician

- Physician should determine dosage, strength, and delivery

- I've had great results with it, but I am religious about following orders

- I do too much (as I bet most of you do too) and it is tremendous help to me...I mean, I'm travelling around world half the damn year...that is hard to do at 28, much less 48

- And I have a physical (blood work) every 3 months to make sure everything is progressing as expected

- In fact, I had a physical to determine what were right levers to pull before I started any treatment

- One thing to keep in mind: testosterone can 'thicken' your blood, which can lead to all kinds of other problems (heart attack, stroke, other issues)

- Hence, the need to maintain proper diagnosis and care

- Be careful with gels or other delivery methods other than injection

   -> *Think* (if I recall correctly), injection directly into muscle tissue was by far best, most effective method to deliver testosterone

   -> They simply don't know how much you will absorb if you use a gel or other methods, so it is a guess

- Several things can screw up your testosterone levels too: some infections, chronic illness certainly, diet, obesity, drug abuse, depression, poor sleep - all of the usual suspects. Even overtraining will reduce your testosterone level, as well as some steroids

- One final thing to keep in mind: you should feel better once you start taking it. Makes it kinda hard to stop 555

 

Great thread and great topic to discuss. I'm sure others more informed than I am. 

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My limited experience with testosterone and to reiterate much of what others have said:

- You absolutely should not fuck around with testosterone unless under physicians' care

- If improperly applied, testosterone can lead to a whole host of problems, up to and including heart attack and stroke (see Solice's list on page 1)

- Furthermore, you should stay under doctor's care for duration of usage

- I *think* you can get away with a time or two, but you have to be careful...you may be treating low testosterone and your testosterone level may be fine

- Some men produce more estrogen and actually need to reduce estrogen and there are ways to deal with that, as well

- Or there are ways to force body to produce more testosterone

- All of those should be considered under proper care by physician

- Physician should determine dosage, strength, and delivery

- I've had great results with it, but I am religious about following orders

- I do too much (as I bet most of you do too) and it is tremendous help to me...I mean, I'm travelling around world half the damn year...that is hard to do at 28, much less 48

- And I have a physical (blood work) every 3 months to make sure everything is progressing as expected

- In fact, I had a physical to determine what were right levers to pull before I started any treatment

- One thing to keep in mind: testosterone can 'thicken' your blood, which can lead to all kinds of other problems (heart attack, stroke, other issues)

- Hence, the need to maintain proper diagnosis and care

- Be careful with gels or other delivery methods other than injection

   -> *Think* (if I recall correctly), injection directly into muscle tissue was by far best, most effective method to deliver testosterone

   -> They simply don't know how much you will absorb if you use a gel or other methods, so it is a guess

- Several things can screw up your testosterone levels too: some infections, chronic illness certainly, diet, obesity, drug abuse, depression, poor sleep - all of the usual suspects. Even overtraining will reduce your testosterone level, as well as some steroids

- One final thing to keep in mind: you should feel better once you start taking it. Makes it kinda hard to stop 555

 

Great thread and great topic to discuss. I'm sure others more informed than I am. 

 

Solice was speaking tongue-in-cheek...  and he talked about ASPIRIN not steroids!!!!   LOL

 

You're WAY overthinking this for a 3 week tourist.

 

Do what you want to.

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Solice was speaking tongue-in-cheek... and he talked about ASPIRIN not steroids!!!! LOL

 

You're WAY overthinking this for a 3 week tourist.

 

Do what you want to.

Overthinking death? You know people die from this shit? It isn't complicated, go see a doctor, he/she gives you script, you take proper amount...not hard

 

 

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I know it's been mentioned in various threads but I thought it merited its own

 

I had my first ever Testosterone shot yesterday to help performance for my short-time holiday (3 more weeks)

 

I'd specifically like to know

  • is a one-off injection (1 ml) enough for first-timers?
  • is the effect enhanced by also taking Provironum/Proviron pills (anabolic steroid)?
  • is the effect noticeably more powerful than Viagra/Cialis etc?

I ask cos a fellow BM recommended Provironum - but the doc who gave me the jab at Buakhow Clinic said no...

 

Also, the BM suggested one shot would be enough for a few weeks but the doc said first-timers would be better off having jabs once weekly a few times

 

Just one request: Please do not comment here unless you have personal experience and/or can offer a useful link

 

I found some websites but they're all connected to the steroids industry and therefore are biased

 

I'm asking now cos it's already 24 hours since my jab and if I'm better off taking the pills too I'd better start ASAP

 

 

Basic rule is:

 

Don't take testosterone unless an endocrinologist has assayed your testosterone and it's lacking.

 

Clearly not the case here.

 

Doubling up with anabolic steroids, one has to guess you do not want testicles over time and do want cystic back acne. Good luck.

 

Also general advice regardling drugs, don't ask how to take them after you took them.

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